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An expert in animal rescue and dog psychology and behavior addressed a question posed on a local mailing list about the negative effects of bestiality on dogs.  Reposted here by permission of the author, Atheris.

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Post #6320 on Kink in the Bay Area yahoo e-list, on June 29, 2004

In answer to questions posed by our Moderator on the negative effects of Bestiality on Dogs.

Note: Oct. 7, 2010: I have updated this a bit and added some additional resources. I hope to write a full article soon!

Mistress B- I can answer these questions for you. First of all I will say I have been studying dog behavior and psychology, training dogs, and reading as many books by other trainers as I can get a hold of since I was a small child (yes I read the ‘adult’ books and had to get permission to check them out when I was 10!). I have a lot of experience with real dogs and have been doing this much longer than I have been in the BDSM scene.

First a bit of background on the dog basics- there is NO way I can cover everything I know in this post- it would be a book and too long. I will recommend some books at the end of this post to get people started if they are interested.

But – for the basics- dogs are not human. Dogs don’t communicate like we do- they can’t speak English or Spanish or Japanese, or any other language that we can speak. They DO communicate quite fluently in their own language. Dogs do D/s and their language is largely based on it. But to make it more confusing for us humans- they do D/s much differently than we do.  Most non-kinky people just ignore or don’t want to know that their dogs do D/s because they find it ‘offensive’. The dogs still communicate in it whether you like it or not. Since they can’t speak our language and we can understand theirs and even ‘speak’ it if we choose to learn how, I feel that it is our responsibility to do so.

It is in a dog’s nature to try to become Alpha- this is not something that is done once and then it is never addressed again. In a pack of dogs the Alpha dog may become ill or be killed- the pack will need another Alpha member and one of the other members will have to prove they are fit to be in the position (I am not going to go into how this is done as it is done in many different ways.)

In a human “pack” (and this IS how the dog sees your family), if you are not Alpha, then your dog is. This is a fact- not something you choose. Even if you don’t see it this way- the dog still does. This is why so many people have dogs that bite and they don’t know why. Many small dogs are dominant in their household while the human members of the pack don’t even realize it! Some people do realize it and think it is ‘cute’. IMO it is NOT cute to have any dog bite a human- whether that dog is a Rottweiler or a Chihuahua.

1. Is it any more abusive to a dog than forcing it to mate with
another dog and bear pups for human profit?  When a dog is taken to
be “bred”, neither dog “consents” to intercourse and
the female doesn’t consent to bearing young which will be
snatched from her as soon as they are ready to be sold.   Do the
folks who believe that human/dog sex is immoral because a dog cannot
consent find dog breeders to be abhorrent too?

Ok- you think of your family like this: (or something like this) there is you, your partner(s), your children. The pets may or may not be considered ‘family’. The dog looks at it like this: You, pack member, and your partner(s) and children are all pack members along with the dog. This is the dog’s ‘family’. The dog needs to know where he/she’s place in the pack hierarchy is.  This is not ‘optional’ this is how the dog sees it whether you do or not and many problems with dogs can boil down to problems with understanding this one thing. If you are not Alpha and none of your human family is- the dog probably is, at least in the dog’s mind.

It is the right of the Alpha pack member to control sex. It is very common for only the Alpha members to mate- and in packs in which non-Alpha members mate, the subordinate members NEVER mate with the Alpha member. This is not done in dog society. So for you to set up a breeding with another dog and that dog is also not alpha you probably don’t have a problem. The minute you have sex with your dog the dog is now EQUAL in his mind in the pack position. Now if you have a dog that is naturally more submissive- you probably won’t have a problem that is overt, although I still feel it is abusive because submissive dogs really DO NOT want to be in an Alpha position. It makes them nervous and insecure. If you have a dog that is not submissive then you will almost certainly have a problem. Dogs do not just ‘take over’ in the pack status- they do it very subtly and very quietly- in most cases- only if there is a BIG blow out between two members who feel they are both qualified for the position will you have an aggressive problem between dogs.

I once had a very interesting dominance confrontation with a small dog (this dog weighed less than 10 pounds). If there had been anyone else there, I am betting most people would have not even realized that it went on. It was entirely silent and all body language and I never touched the dog. It took about 5 seconds and at the end the dog recognized me as Alpha (even though he didn’t recognize his Mistress as such). If this dog had been a large dog and an established Alpha it may have not gone so quietly and I might have ended up in the hospital- dogs do have some idea of their ability to hold that position, even though people like to think otherwise. This dog would listen to me and obey me – he stopped barking incessantly unless his Mistress was there- since she encouraged it without realizing it. She encouraged all the behavior problems by not being Alpha.

You cannot train a dog unless you are Alpha in the dog’s mind. You have NO right to tell a dog what to do or when to do it unless you are Alpha in the dog’s mind. This is not something you can change. You either understand it and utilize it and communicate clearly with the dog in his/her language or the dog will misunderstand you. This is the reason I don’t ‘train dogs for people’ and it is the reason that when people go to an obedience class with their dog- the trainer can get the dog to do things that the owner can’t- because the trainer establishes Alpha status in seconds and the owner has not done so. It is MUCH easier to take a young dog- establish Alpha status and maintain that status than it is to take a full grown dog (especially a large one) and ‘take the dog down a notch’.

2. Regarding the proposition that allowing a dog to have intercourse
with a human will result in an aggressive dog which will have to be
killed because intercourse in dogs is related to dominance, I ask
whether it is any worse than allowing a dog to do the following
activities, e.g.,  allowing a dog to sit on furniture, allowing a dog
to sleep in your bed, allowing a dog to eat at the table with you,
etc?   These activities are also related to dominance, but I have
never heard folks who do these things be accused of dog abuse.

It can be equally as bad to allow the dog to sit on the furiture as it is to have sex with them- depending on the situation. I have no problem letting my dogs on the furniture when I want them up there- BUT if I say “get off” they get off- no questions, no arguments. This is because they recognize me as Alpha in the pack. If they were Alpha and I said “get off the couch” They would not listen as I would have no right to tell them what to do- in fact THEY have the right to tell me what to do. The Alpha pack member controls ALL resources- including food, sex and ‘comfy places’. This doesn’t mean that they can’t have sex or they don’t get fed- but instead they do so at the direction of the Alpha or AFTER the Alpha member. Sex is more complex than this and I get into it a bit here but this can’t cover the entire scope of what is going on in the dog’s head.

A while ago it was believed that dogs only understood short one word commands and were not able to understand more complex phrase or ideas- this is not true. I have had dogs understand “get down here right now” (calling a dog from upstairs where I was not, to downstairs where I was) and my dog understands that “I can’t ever get on the bed but I can get on the couch however I have to get off if Alpha says so”)

A lot will also depend on the individual dog’s natural tendency toward Dominance or submission. All dogs have some place they fit on that scale- the more dominant dogs will constantly strive for the Alpha position and the most submissive dogs never will. Unless you really understand dog language you have NO way of knowing where a dog is on this scale. There is an excellent scale for evaluating puppies to find out what their natural tendencies are (breeders use this to determine if a dog will be a good working dog of any sort, for competition or for guide dog or service dog jobs).

One example I will give is one Lhasa that I knew of- I was visiting a friend whose mother had just got a Lhasa puppy. While I was there the puppy was chewing on something he was not supposed to be chewing on- I pointed it out and my friend’s mother took the item- the dog didn’t let go. Instead the dog growled. SHE let go and the dog stepped up the ladder in the pack hierarchy without her even knowing it! Six months later NO ONE- not family nor guests could sit on the couch if the dog was on the couch. They thought it was ‘cute’. If the dog had been a large one- they would have had a problem. Dogs of all sizes do D/s the same way- but the fact is large dogs can cause humans more damage – even kill.

I am a promoter of responsible dog ownership all the time- not just on this list. I am active in my dog club too- although I keep my ‘doggie’ activities very separate from my kink life. I try to help people understand dogs- vanilla or kinky people as it IS as much of a problem to allow a dog to be dominant in any situation- whether you are having sex with them or not- and if you have a large dog you are playing with fire and you might get burned, you might not and someone else might- you never know.

Many here [on this list] may not know but there is a LOT of activity in certain Cities trying to pass breed specific legislation (banning certain breeds- of which my main breed is one of them). Dog owners have been hurt most recently by that incident in SF involving the large dog that killed a women (and I have heard they were having sex with the dogs but I have to research this more before believing it).

People often think a good protection dog is aggressive- this is a myth- good protection dogs are well trained. Police dogs are NOT aggressive as many people would think they are. They are very well trained and the Human part of the team is Alpha. The police officer that handles the dog MUST work with the dog a lot – it is not something you just ‘issue’ like you do a gun since there is a relationship there that has to be established and maintained.  I actually believe that most of the people that are a danger to responsible dog owners are not kinky people- they are people who want ‘an aggressive dog to be a good watch dog’ and instead of learning what they can about dogs- they just try to make a ‘quick’ mean dog and they succeed.

But you can’t do that if you don’t know anything about it. Most people (both kinky people who want to have sex with dogs or vanilla people who want a dog to play with the kids) don’t want to bother with learning about the animal they have chosen to share their life with. This is the reason the shelters are so full of unwanted animals- most of those animals are very healthy and there is nothing wrong with them- they just need some training, including knowing their place in the pack. They need exercise (many people grossly underestimate the amount of exercise a dog needs).

Dogs are highly social animals- just like us, and they have a very complex language just like we do. They understand social heirarchy and in many ways are so much like us- but yet so different. All I ask is that people try to understand them before doing things that might hurt them.

The books I recommend are: (more…)

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Jan 18: Sex with horse results in man’s death.

A Seattle man died after engaging in anal sex with a horse at a farm suspected of being a gathering place for people seeking to have sex with livestock, police said.

The horse involved in the incident was not harmed, and an autopsy of the unnamed man concluded that “the manner of death was accidental, due to perforation of the colon”, a police spokesperson said.

“The information that we have is that people would find this place via chat rooms on the Web,” said Sergeant John Urquhart of the King County Sheriff’s department.

Although sex with animals is not illegal in Washington state, Urquhart said that investigators were looking into whether the farm, located in Enumclaw, 64km south-east of Seattle, allowed sex with smaller animals that resulted in animal cruelty, which is a crime.

There is no evidence that any money exchanged hands for the sex acts. There are several horses, bulls, dogs and other animals on the farm.

At this point no one has been arrested, but aurhorities are not ruling out the possibility of charges ultimately being filed.

At least one man with convictions for sex crimes is reportedly connected to the events at the farm.

The bizarre death of a man who had sex with a horse made dreadful headlines. But last summer’s infamous Enumclaw animal-intercourse investigation did not turn up a rural crime wave of bestiality, authorities say. State Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, however, plans to continue her push for a law barring such acts, worried the case revealed “an animal sex ring, a magnet for syndication of the sexual abuse of animals. People came from outside this state to engage in this activity because people knew they wouldn’t be arrested.”

Enumclaw Police and King County Sheriff’s investigators ultimately expended little time on the case after determining no felony laws were broken. There was no convincing evidence of animal cruelty, and bestiality is not a crime in Washington. Investigators concluded that only three men were present when a 45-year-old Seattle man was killed while having sex with a horse July 2 at one of two neighboring farms where such acts took place in southeast King County. And only one suspect, James Michael Tait, 54, has been charged with a crime, first-degree trespassing, a misdemeanor.

“The sheriff’s office did not find that any [felony] crimes had been committed,” says sheriff’s Sgt. John Urquhart. Thus, “we didn’t look too deeply into how many people had visited farm No. 1 [Tait’s property] or how big an operation it was.” Says Roach: “Right. What’s the purpose of investigating further if there’s no law against it? We’re one of eight states without one. Animals are left unprotected, and it is abuse of an animal to sexually assault it.” She suspects Internet chat has attracted out-of-state abusers, although all three men in the Enumclaw case were locals. “When you are dealing with the Internet,” Roach says, “you just have to assume it’s gone past state lines.”

Tait, a truck driver who lives near the Southeast 444th Street farm where the death occurred, pleaded not guilty and awaits trial in Burien District Court. The second farm’s owner was unaware the threesome had sneaked into his barn late at night, according to the King County Prosecutor’s Office. Urquhart of the sheriff’s office says that “typically,” men were having sex with a horse on Tait’s property, “but on this particular night it is my understanding that horse wasn’t particularly receptive.”

The man who died during the incident suffered a perforated colon after being penetrated by the neighbor’s horse, investigators say. He also owned a horse of his own, according to the Humane Society, which says it is trying to find a foster home for the animal. “Bestiality,” says local Humane Society director Robert Reder in a statement, “is an unsettling and uncomfortable topic.” Nonetheless, “The people who engage in this behavior are victimizing animals.”

According to charging papers, Tait told a sheriff’s deputy that he and the two other men “came to know each other as a result of their common interest in having sex with horses and other animals.” Tait and the man who later died both had sex with the neighbor’s horse that night, according to the charging papers. The second man died while Tait was videotaping the encounter. The tape was later shown to the couple that owns the barn so they could confirm it was their horse, known as Big Dick. Enumclaw Police turned up as many as 100 VHS videos and DVDs. But with no applicable bestiality or animal abuse laws to enforce, authorities never viewed the tapes, Urquhart says.

Roach is still drafting the bill to criminalize sex with animals, which she plans to introduce at the legislative session that begins in January. Her e-mail and phone calls are running universally in support of a ban, she says. The bill, as a draft shows, may include felony provisions against videotaping the acts. Though she considered adding an Internet provision, she admits any such ban would be difficult to police-in part because the Internet is already teeming with animal-porn sites, such as Zoo Porn, which offers “zoo dating.” Her draft bill reads: “A person may not knowingly engage in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal,” nor knowingly “organize, promote, conduct, advertise, aid, or abet, participate in as an observer, or perform any service in the furtherance of an act involving sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal for a commercial or recreational purpose.”

Still taboo, discussion of bestiality has been opened up by the freewheeling Internet, and other media as well. Recently, on the Alan Colmes Show on Fox Radio, the host asked radical antiabortionist Neal Horsley whether it was true he had sex with animals in the past. Horsley replied: “Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule.” If that surprises some people, he added, “Welcome to domestic life on the farm. You experiment with anything that moves when you are growing up sexually.”

Roach thinks animal abusers are often associated with child abuse, as well: “The studies people have sent me show how abusers develop by starting with something helpless, an animal; next is a child. These are patterns that develop.” But her final bill will have to be carefully written, she adds, to exclude some farm-sex acts. “For example, farmers, in a routine way, inseminate animals with sperm they buy from veterinarians,” the senator says. “That’s an act of [animal] husbandry-that’s different.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/5034/WA/US/

Bestiality is sexual abuse of animals.  People having sexual contact with animals for their own gratification, or using animals sexually to demean and injure others, is animal sexual abuse.

So what’s this got to do with a blog with a heavy focus on people abuse and kink?

A lot, actually.

I found out some information related to this topic a few months ago that has had me extremely worried.

I also really love animals in general – in a healthy way.  I’ve always had pets, who have always been cherished companions, and I take the responsibility to protect these creatures we bring into our lives seriously.  I’ve done animal rescue and other volunteer work in the past, both throughout the Bay Area, California, and nationally, and undoubtedly will again.  I make financial donations to support groups that engage in this work.

And of course, I have a strong, long-standing interest in the topic of abuse in general.

So, the topic has been on my mind for a while, and I finally realized I may as well use my blog to explore it.

One of the things I certainly can do is try to further understanding of this perversion, and the very real damage it does, both to the animals in question – and to the people involved, particularly if the animal is used as a tool to abuse her (usually a woman or child) with.  I can open the door to discussion to a) help people understand the extent of the problem and why it’s so bad, and b) give people who have been victimized this way in some manner a place to vent and share their feelings with other victims, if they so choose.  We aren’t allowed to even discuss what’s wrong with bestiality on Fetlife, so I’m opening up a platform for it here, as another aspect of abuse in general.  The role that bestiality plays in abuse in general and in BDSM – and why it has everything to do with the former and nothing at all to do with the latter – needs to be aired.

Sadly, there is a segment of the population who actually considers this to be a legitimate kink, and some even consider it a valid sexual orientation.  I am not going to go into all of the horrifying twaddle many of these people posit as justification for these horrifyingly skewed views.  I don’t care what their excuses are – bestiality is nonconsensual by definition, because animals lack the capacity to give consent.

It’s the same thing with children and child sexual abuse.  Both animals and children depend on adults to protect them, and having sex with them is one of the most flagrant violations of trust possible.

The fact that sex with animals cannot possibly be consensual lands it firmly in the camp of being abuse, plain and simple.  Sorry, but in these two areas, your kink is just not OK on any level, end of story.

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November 13 News: Is Bestiality a Crime?…buggery with a mare, a cow, two goats, divers sheep, two calves and a turkey

Lecture addresses nature of bestiality

The word, even if viewable for only a split second, evokes thoughts and sentiments unlike most of the other words in the English language. The topic, some feel so far removed from, while some dedicate countless hours studying. Bestiality is the subject. The word itself has a strongly negative connotation.

Piers Beirne’s speech entitled, “Is Bestiality a Crime?” nearly filled the Lindsay Young Auditorium in Hodges Library on Monday.

Beirne serves as a professor of criminology at the University of Southern Maine in Portland, Maine. Beirne’s speech detailed his journey in criminology to eventually lead to what he does not call bestiality; rather, he calls such implied actions as “animal sexual abuse.”

He explained his eventual landing in this type of criminology was because of the intellectual outgrowth of his work, his everyday interactions with animals and his teaching. He noted two particular works involving animal sexual abuse: “Of Plymouth Plantation” and “Barnyard Love.”

In the first work mentioned, William Bradford, the governor of Plymouth Plantation in 1642, described the conviction of Thomas Granger for “buggery with a mare, a cow, two goats, divers sheep, two calves and a turkey.” The second work is a German film that displays various sexual acts with human males and females, between cows, horses, dogs, hens and eels.

“The large quadrupeds, such as cows, were seemingly indifferent … while the medium-sized animals, such as dogs, seemed to energetically enjoy the attention given by the human females,” Beirne said.

Beirne then confronted four different questions about bestiality: “What is it? How much of it is there? What are its forms? Is it wrong?”

He explained that, although the actual origins and definitions have varied over the years, bestiality’s contemporary definition “denotes sexual relations between humans and animals — being anal, oral or genital.”

He confronted the problems surrounding young, innocent children and the collection of semen from farm animals for profit.

Beirne explained that knowing the amounts of bestiality is hard to determine, because “one of the partners involved can’t report the abuse.”

Furthermore, he said, as animals have been more removed from rural areas and because pets have been introduced into homes, “most forms of animal sexual abuse are at the home with companion animals, probably.”

As he progressed down the road of this specific type of criminal activity, he created a typology for animal sexual abuse. Beirne’s four forms of animal sexual abuse are: zoophilia, adolescent sexual experimentation, aggravated cruelty and commodification.

He notes that zoophilia is “someone whose preferred partner is an animal.” Adolescent sexual experimentation is defined in its own naming.

Aggravated cruelty to animals typically takes place in the form of genital mutilation and other types of cruel behavior.

Lastly, the commodification of animal sexual abuse is where money is made and paid for people to perform sexual act on animals. Beirne cited Tijuana, Mexico, as a place containing various establishments.

Beirne also presented three ways to take care of the sexual animal abuse problems, but he felt that only one of them would work for contemporary times.

He said that “compulsory humane education starting at kindergarten” would be problematic because the curriculum is often “business based” rather than focusing on humane treatment of animals. Changing this would be hard to do in a society that has a strong focus on finances.

Restorative justice would not work because “nobody would represent the animals” and the animals would have a very hard time testifying against human perpetrators.

Lastly, Beirne said criminalization is the only temporary fix right now. Even though the jails are overcrowded, Beirne said this seems to be the best option.

This topic is not something that is easily talked about, but many UT students found the lecture intriguing.

“I thought it was really interesting, very eye opening and something that needs to be talked about more,” Rhiannon Leebrick, a graduate in sociology, said.

quoted in full from – http://utdailybeacon.com/news/2010/nov/11/lecture-addresses-nature-bestiality/